- Duty: holds the pull with the Voidwalker; DoTs and drains.
- Curse: Curse of the Elements from 20 (all magic damage, helps both of you).
- Makes: bind-on-equip cloth gear, bags and two of every wand for both, plus oils; disenchants spare greens. Shadow set, Black Sandals and Robe of the Void are hers alone (bind on pickup).
The Herald
Forever went live Wednesday, Nov 4 at 5:00 PM CT. These are the changes since then that touch two Warlocks. Each line is tagged; the full notes and links are in the research library (Research page).
- Nov 3Pet health per point of your Stamina cut from 7.5 to 2. The Voidwalker is much squishier than in beta. Official (Blizzard Nov 2 notes, quoted on the US forums; GameSpot)
- Nov 3Wrack's coefficient doubled (0.286 per second; base 36 to 86 DPS at 60); Spellstone's damage bonus is Shadow only (it still adds spell haste); Drain Soul shard chance from damage ticks cut "significantly"; Amplify Curse now covers Curse of Exhaustion and Bane of Agony; Improved Drains now boosts Drain Mana instead of Wrack; Shadow and Flame now 4/8/12/16/20%. Official
- Nov 6Hotfix: Voidwalker base health about +40; Soul Siphon no longer boosts Wrack; Tanning Rack needs skill 125. Official
- Nov 8Dungeon kill XP +50%. The Oct 1 cut to dungeon quest bonus XP stays. Official (Blizzard hotfix; OutputLag, Forever Outpost)
- Nov 9Open-questions recheck (~3:20 PM CT): Shaper\'s Terrace loot still empty; Smoking Jacket source blank; Artisan Favor unknown; Expert Campfire source blank; party XP gap number still unpublished. Duo dungeon tactics written. Research
- Nov 10Planned class tuning (Tuesday): Voidwalkers and Hunter pets toward Classic Era durability; Affliction DoTs worth casting with Wrack at the same total damage; Enhancement Strength. Notes still not posted as of Nov 9, 3:20 PM CT (Blue Tracker newest Forever post = Nov 8 dungeon XP). Skip Wrack until Tuesday. Unverified numbers (Kaivax Nov 6 plan only)
- Dec 9Raids open: Barrow Deeps (10 players, 8 bosses), Hyjal Summit (20, 13 bosses), Onyxia's Lair (40, Drakefire Amulet attunement). Weekly reset. Official
- WinterHardcore ruleset; Darkspear Islands 15v15 battleground. Spring 2027: two raids, two dungeons, a zone and a legendary. Official
Party XP rule
Each of you earns kill XP by your own level, but nobody gets kill XP if a party member is "vastly" higher than the mob (Blizzard, Oct 8). No numeric cutoff published as of Nov 9 3:20 PM CT. Working rule: Classic grey-mob band; keep Pepper and Thot within 4 levels. Dungeon kill XP +50% (Nov 8). Official + working rule
Gold at 60
Level-60 quests give no gold for unused XP, unlike Classic; fixed quest gold still pays. World-first Jokerd found it and says a developer called it intentional; Wowhead and Icy Veins both reported it; Blizzard has not posted. Week-one AH: mid-level materials fell 50–67%, and Mageweave slid again from about 13s (Nov 7) to about 7s (Nov 9). Minimum deposit is 1 silver. High enchanting mats (Small Brilliant Shard about 8g) hold value. Sell raw early. Fan site (Wowhead, Icy Veins; TimeSaver AH sweep)
Known issues (Nov 5)
PvP vendors offline, a Razorfen Kraul cauldron you can get stuck in, bank tab problems, Stormwind Keep flicker. Official
Ban reports
Forum players report false-positive RMT bans; one low-trust site says some were reversed with an apology. Play both heroes by hand and never buy gold. Unverified
Our Picks
Three decisions are made here so you can just play: the add-on set, each hero's 16 Legacy points, and who wears the Tailoring Shadow gear.
Add-ons: installed Nov 9
Installed into _forever_\Interface\AddOns with the game closed. Every file came from its author's CurseForge or GitHub page and was checked for the Forever interface (16001). The old folder was backed up first, and WTF was not touched.
| Add-on | Version | Status | Why |
|---|---|---|---|
| Questie | 12.6.4 (+QuestieDB 1.0.12) | Updated | Quest givers and objectives on the map; Guidelime reads it. |
| Guidelime + TUGs Forever | 6.015 / 1.26 | Kept | Step-by-step route for both heroes. |
| TomTom | 4.4.1 | Added | Waypoint arrow for /way coordinates in this guide and Guidelime. |
| Leatrix Plus | 1.60.29-forever | Added | Auto-sell grays, auto-repair, faster loot, flight times. Everything is off until you tick it. |
| GatherMate2 | 1.52.5 | Added | Remembers every herb node Lock B finds (Forever early-game nodes added Nov 6). Enable it on Lock B only. |
| Auctionator | 343 | Added | Fast posting and price history for Lock B's herbs and leather (343 fixes the RP-PvP market split). |
| ThreatClassic2 | 2.77-forever | Added | Shows whether the Voidwalker still holds aggro over the two of you. Its Forever limits are documented (no healer mode). |
| DoesItDie | 0.9.3-forever | Added | Built for Forever Warlocks: a skull appears when your DoTs will finish the mob, so you stop casting and move on (Icy Veins pick). It slightly underestimates Bane of Agony. |
| Olympus | 1.5.4 | Updated | The guild's own add-on from the author's GitHub/CurseForge. 1.5.4 restarts every guild's verification clock with 7 days of grace. |
| Altoholic + DataStore, Baganator + Syndicator, OpenMap | as installed | Kept | Feed the duo dashboard; shared bags; map. |
Left out on purpose:
- Details!: the built-in damage meter covers it.
- Bartender4: Edit Mode already moves and resizes bars.
- Deadly Boss Mods: not needed for open-world leveling; revisit before the Dec 9 raids.
- Elephant:
/chatlogalready writes WoWChatLog.txt. - WeakAuras: no Forever version, and Midnight combat rules block most auras.
Legacy perks: 16 points each
Rules (WoW Forever DB, client build 1.60.1.70862): each rank costs 1 point and a character spends at most 16. Second-column perks open after 5 points in that tree, third-column after 10. A class trainer resets your perks. Points come from challenges: class level 25/45/60, crafting skill 150/225/300 (gathering and First Aid pay nothing), dungeons, raids and PvP. Fan site
Lock A (crafter, Voidwalker)
- Thrill of Adventure 3: health and mana back on every killing blow, so less Life Tap and drinking.
- Working Overtime 5: +20% skill-up chance. Reaching Tailoring and Enchanting 150/225/300 sooner pays up to 6 more Legacy points.
- Thrill of Adventure 4–5: finish it (5% health and mana per kill).
- Performance Bonus 3 (opens at 5 Professions points): 15% chance of double Merchant's Favor per crate, and Favor buys your Shadow patterns.
- Bartering 2: 10% off vendor thread, dyes and vials.
- Gourmand 1: Well Fed (+5% kill XP) lasts a third longer.
Total 5 + 5 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 16.
Lock B (gatherer, Voidwalker then Sayaad)
- Thrill of Adventure 3: same sustain as Lock A.
- Bountiful Harvest 5: twice the scarce finds (Frilled Lichen, Rosecap, Stranglevine, Pristine Leather). These are what sell.
- Thrill of Adventure 4–5.
- Gourmand 3: food buffs last twice as long.
- Bartering 2 (open after Bountiful Harvest 5): cheaper vials and spices for First Aid potions.
- Reinforce 1: 8% less durability loss on death.
Total 5 + 5 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 16.
Why not Talented or Reagent Economy
Talented needs 5 Adventure points first and only moves talent points earlier than level 10. You are already past 10 and the first Legacy points arrive at 25, so it does nothing for you. Reagent Economy costs 11 points, and Soul Shards are not vendor reagents, so it saves a Warlock very little. At 60, visit a trainer and swap to the raider set (Reinforce, Gourmand, The Quick and the Dead). Fan site
Points arrive slowly
Legacy points are per Battle.net account. If the two heroes are on separate accounts, Lock A can reach about 9 from Warlock 25/45/60 and both crafts, while Lock B gets 3 from levels until dungeons and raids add more. Spend in the order above as points appear.
Shadow gear: bind on pickup
Answer: both the patterns and the crafted pieces bind when picked up. Two databases built from the client data agree: ForeverDB and WoW-Professions. The Shadow Gloves tooltip reads "Binds when picked up". Fan site
- Only the tailor who crafts them can wear them, so Lock A wears the Shadow set. Lock A cannot make it for Lock B.
- Patterns cost 30 Merchant's Favor each (three sources agree; Wowhead's 0 was a placeholder) from Mivin Shadowweave, Three Corners, Redridge (10.0, 73.0). Favor is per character, so Lock A earns her own. Boots need Tailoring 60, Gloves 75, Sash 85, Circlet 100, Gown 110, Leggings 125.
- Example: Shadow Gloves (level 15) give +3 Int, +4 Sta, +7 Shadow damage. They take 6 Bolt of Woolen Cloth, 4 Fine Thread, 3 Cerulean Dye and 2 Shadowgem.
- Lock B's gear: cloth drops in Lock A's six Shadow-set slots go to Lock B; other drops go to the bigger upgrade, alternating when close. Lock A also crafts Lock B's bind-on-equip Felcloth pieces and Robe of Winter Night at 50+. The full rules are in The Armory.
The Pact
Two Human Warlocks march together for the Alliance on Americas · Normal (PvE), the ruleset Olympus confirmed on Nov 4. One crafts, one gathers. The gatherer's coin pays for the crafter's cloth and wands; the crafter clothes both.
- Duty: damage; skins every beast, picks every herb on the route.
- Curse: Curse of Weakness or Recklessness as needed (one Curse and one Bane each per target).
- Sells: surplus herbs, leather and hides raw on the AH; coin funds both.
Why Human
- Olympus wants Humans.
- The Human Spirit: +10% Spirit (Oct 26 beta notes). Life Tap now scales with Spirit. Official
- Ruthless: +1% crit (Oct 26). DoTs can crit in Forever.
- Gnome Eureka! stopped boosting DoTs on Oct 1, which put Human ahead for Affliction (WoW Forever DB).
Why two Warlocks work
- Two pets: one tanks, one hits.
- Banes and Curses are per Warlock: each of you can put a Bane and a Curse on the same target. Official
- Same gear wants, so split cloth drops by need, then by turns.
Weak spots
- No healer: you live on Drain Life, Healthstones, bandages and food.
- Both chase the same cloth drops.
- Soul Shards gate Voidwalker, Soulstone, Healthstone and summons.
- Fear range is 20 yd (Warcraft Tavern). Fan site
- Pet health per Stamina was cut at launch; the Voidwalker needs Health Funnel until the Nov 10 durability fix. Fan site
Launch Night
The first hours, in order. Times are Central. Coordinates are Elwynn Forest map coordinates from ForeverWisp and Wowhead.
- Before 5:00 PM
Muster
Both accounts logged in to Battle.net, Game Version WoW: Forever. Add-ons already in
_forever_\Interface\AddOns. On the character screen, tick every add-on and Load out of date AddOns. Have 2–3 backup names each. - 5:00 PM CT
Create both heroes
Region Americas, ruleset Normal (PvE), Alliance, Human Warlock (Fernmelder, @everyone Nov 4 8:59 AM). Preset: Enhanced. If there is a queue, wait at the login screen; do not refresh.
- First login
Set up
Type
/chatlogon each hero. Set keybinds. Invite each other and accept the layer refresh prompt out of combat. Turn on Find Herbs on Lock B once trained. - Level 1
Northshire start
Deputy Willem: A Threat Within → Marshal McBride. Do Kobold Camp Cleanup and Wolves Across the Border together. Sell starting food you do not need; Immolate costs 10c (Wowhead, Sep 30 beta).
- Levels 1–4
Summon Imp
After the kobold reward, McBride gives Tainted Letter → Drusilla La Salle in the graveyard beside the abbey (49.9, 42.6). Take The Stolen Tome. Loot Powers of the Void from the Defias tent in the vineyard (56.7, 44.0). Turn in for Summon Imp. Each of you loots your own book.
- Levels 4–8
Train every even level
4: Corruption, Curse of Weakness. 6: Life Tap, Shadow Bolt r2. 8: Bane of Agony, Fear. Opener: pet in, Bane of Agony, Corruption, Immolate, then Shadow Bolt or wand.
- Levels 5–6
Goldshire
Report to Goldshire. Sam Sarsparilla (44.9, 63.3): The Adventurer, The Great Outdoors, Camping 101. Train professions: Lock B Herbalism and Skinning; Lock A Tailoring (Enchanting when you can afford it); both First Aid. Vendor grays every town visit.
- Levels 6–10
Elwynn
Follow Guidelime (TUGs) or Questie: Fargodeep, Eastvale, Jasperlode, Crystal Lake. Lock B skins and gathers on the way. Keep all Linen Cloth for Lock A.
- Level 10
Voidwalker
Trainer in Goldshire (Remen Marcot): Gakin's Summons → Gakin the Darkbinder, Slaughtered Lamb, Stormwind. Surena Caledon: kill her at the farm southwest of Eastvale Logging Camp (she has adds; do it together). The Binding in the Lamb's basement. Train Drain Soul, Create Healthstone. First talent point.
- Any time tonight
Olympus
Join the Asmongold Discord, press "Get my code" in #olympus-verify, and whisper only the code in game to the officer the instructions name. Channels may stay hidden until verified. See Olympus.
- End of session
Close out
Vendor grays, keep copper and silver. Trade spare coin only to the collector officers name in official channels. Copy
_forever_\WTFto a backup folder after logout.
The Road














Guidelime with the TUGs Forever guide gives the step-by-step route; this is the outline. Zones 1–20 follow ForeverWisp's Human route (Oct 12). Demon quests follow Wowhead (Sep 30), Icy Veins and ConquestCapped.
| Levels | Where | What | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1–5 | Northshire Valley | Imp quest; kobolds, wolves, Echo Ridge, vineyard Defias. | |
| 5–11 | Elwynn Forest (Goldshire base) | Farms, Fargodeep, Eastvale, Jasperlode, Crystal Lake. Voidwalker at 10. Wanted: Hogger is elite: only with the Voidwalker out. | |
| 10–15 | Westfall (Sentinel Hill) | Farm and Defias quests; Sentinel Hill flight path. | |
| 12–20 | Loch Modan, Darkshore | ForeverWisp's Human route uses Dun Morogh/Loch Modan and two Darkshore chapters via the Auberdine boat. | |
| 15–22 | Redridge Mountains | From Stormwind; optional Defias chain. Three Corners holds the Alliance Merchant's Favor camp; hand crates to Marcy Baker (9.7, 70.9). | |
| 20 | Succubus or Incubus | Human: go straight to Gakin. Devourer of Souls → Takar the Seer, The Barrens. Heartswood in Ashenvale (about 31, 31). The Binding back at Gakin. Rewards Small Soul Pouch. | |
| 20–25 | Ashenvale; Deadmines | Route ends at Maestra's Post. Deadmines quest Underground Assault rewards Sable Wand. | |
| 30 | Felhunter | Seeking Strahad → Strahad Farsan, Ratchet (62.6, 35.4) → Krom Stoutarm, Ironforge. Moldy Tome (Hillsbrad coast, 27.7, 72.8), Tattered Manuscript (Splithoof Hold, Thousand Needles), 3 Rods of Channeling (Dragonmaw casters, Wetlands). Rewards Box of Souls (16-slot). | |
| 30–40 | Hillsbrad, Arathi, Desolace, Stranglethorn | Southshore gives the City of Dalaran attunement An Alarming Request. Refuge Pointe, Nijel's Point and Booty Bay flight paths. The Drowned City (35–40) sits off the Stranglethorn coast. Official levels; route from foreverbase. | |
| 35–45 | Riverglades (new) | Levels 35–45 (Blizzard and Wowhead; quests start at 36). Two flight paths; Alliance quest with the Brotherhood of the Horse at Farholde Keep. Walk in past Redridge, or take the boat from Steamwheedle Port, Tanaris, to Powderfuse Port. Krol'dok Stronghold (40–45) is its dungeon. Fan site (WoW Forever DB, foreverbase) | |
| 38–43 | Shen'dralas (new, detour) | South of Desolace through the Valley of Bones; quests open at 35. No flight master: walk in. Fan site | |
| 40 | Felsteed | Free class quest: your Stormwind Warlock trainer sends you to Strahad Farsan, Ratchet (62.6, 35.5), who teaches Summon Felsteed (320 XP). The Felsteed needs no riding skill, so skip the 100g Apprentice Riding unless you also want a normal horse. Fan site (client mount data, Warcraft Tavern, Buildsforge) | |
| 40–50 | Razorfen Downs (Mordresh Fire Eye): Mordresh's Lifeless Skull (off-hand, +16 Shadow), Deathmage Sash (+7, +15 Int), Glowing Eye of Mordresh (neck). Skip Robes of the Lich: Stamina only in Forever. Zul'Farrak: Bad Mojo Mask (Sezz'ziz, req 44: +20 Shadow, +21 Int). Maraudon: Inventor's Focal Sword (Tinkerer Gizlock, req 48: +60 spell, +1% crit), Rotgrip Mantle (+13, +18 Int), Satyrmane Sash (+14). Quest Twisted Evils (47): Acumen Robes (+14 spell power, +15 Int, chest; each of you gets one). Krol'dok quest: Torn Cultist Cloak. Fan site (Wowhead Forever loot via BrokenMeta; WoW Forever BE; Hearthproof; Timesaver) | Tailoring bracket: Netherflame Shoulders (195), Nethergeld Cuffs (205), Black or Gilded Waistcord (215). | Hypnotic Blade + Mordresh's Skull (61 Shadow). From 40, Shadowlight Athame (Twilight Commander Zarmok, Krol'dok Stronghold in Riverglades: +52 spell, binds on pickup) beats the Blade; run Krol'dok twice so you each get one. Whoever lacks the Skull takes the Spellshifter Rod (quest Tiara of the Deep, Tabetha, Dustwallow, level 46: +54, +23 Int; each of you gets one). From 48: Inventor's Focal Sword + Skull (76). Wand: Lesser Eternal Wand (Enchanting 245). |
| 48–55 | Un'Goro, Felwood or Azshara, Searing Gorge | Marshal's Refuge, Talonbranch Glade, Talrendis Point. Alcaz Prison (48–53) is on Alcaz Island off Dustwallow. Official levels | |
| 52–60 | Burning Steppes, Plaguelands, Winterspring, Silithus | Morgan's Vigil, Chillwind Camp, Light's Hope, Everlook, Cenarion Hold. Blackmaw Hold (55–60, north Azshara) and Shaper's Terrace (58–60, Un'Goro). Fan site | |
| 60 | Mount Hyjal | The endgame zone. Blizzard has published no level band. Official |
New dungeons on the way
- Hall of Thanes 13–18
- Ruins of Lordaeron 15–20
- Excavation Site 24–29 (Greenhouse blueprint for Lock B)
- City of Dalaran 28–33 (Alliance attunement An Alarming Request, Southshore; Spinning Wheel and Arcane Salvager blueprints for Lock A)
- Drowned City 35–40 · Krol'dok Stronghold 40–45
Levels are Blizzard's Official; blueprint drops are fan reports.
Dungeon loot worth rolling on
- Hall of Thanes: Robes of the Disgraced Thane (+8 spell), Aetherwisp Bracers; Alliance quest Important Heirlooms gives the Dwarven Tome off-hand.
- Ruins of Lordaeron: Leftover Abomination Skin (cloth chest, +7 Shadow damage, The Baron); Rotmender's Treads; Scepter of the Abandoned (+24 spell).
- City of Dalaran: Ephemeral Grips (+9 Shadow, Arcane Anomaly); Violet Sorcerer's Robes (+15 Int, +9 spell, 5-piece set) and Wand of Mana Concentration (31 DPS), both from Arcanic Enigma.
- Excavation Site (24–29): Raptor's Gaze off-hand (+8 spell, Shadetooth), Glinteye Slippers (+7 spell, Saltspine), Ring of Power Regulation (+6 spell); Alliance quests give Daewyn's Girdle (+7 spell) and Curl of Life ring (+5 spell).
- Drowned City: Robe of the Drowned (+11 Int, +15 Sta), Briny Sash (+9 spell damage), Bloodspine Staff (+46 spell, +11 Int, Deathless Marrow).
- Krol'dok: Shadowlight Athame (Twilight Commander Zarmok: dagger, req 40, +52 spell); take Torn Cultist Cloak (+7 Int, 3 mp5) from the Alliance quest Tome of Twilight. Alcaz Prison: nothing for a Warlock (tank and melee pieces). Shaper's Terrace: no loot data yet.
- Gnarled Necromancer's Staff (Ruins) is a Horde-only quest reward: don't plan on it.
- Both of you want the same cloth: agree who rolls first on each slot before you zone in.
Fan site Two loot databases agree on each item (wowtbc, Timesaver, wowsrc, Wowhead item pages, hyjal.cc). Excavation Site, Alcaz and Bloodspine stats cross-checked Nov 9 (Timesaver, 60.tools, ForeverDB, hyjal.cc).
Dec 9 raids
Barrow Deeps (10) and Hyjal Summit (20) need only level 60, with no attunement. Onyxia's Lair (40) keeps the Drakefire Amulet chain. Official
Boats and speed
- New boats: Stormwind Harbor to Auberdine; Menethil, Southshore and Auberdine; Tanaris to Powderfuse Port.
- Well Fed gives +5% kill XP: keep food buffs up.
- Camp Tent gives rested XP. No flying mounts.
- 1 to 60 is 4,084,700 XP in total.
- Experience Presets do not change XP. Classic vs Enhanced only sets models, quest markers, one-bag, transmog, keybinds and layout (Blizzard). Leave quest markers on.
- Riding for others: 100g at 40 (first mount free), 1,000g at 60.
Fan site (WoWForeverInfo Alliance route)
The Warlock's Art
What changed for Warlocks, how to pull as a pair, and how to keep shards.
Forever changes Official
- DoTs can crit.
- Curse of Agony and Curse of Doom are now Banes: one Bane per Warlock per target, separate from Curses.
- Curse of the Elements covers all magic damage. Curse of Shadows removed.
- Pets scale with your stats, but pet health per point of your Stamina is now 2 (was 7.5) since Nov 3. Summoning a new demon stuns the current one. Pets have a new Move command.
- The Succubus is now the Sayaad (Succubus or Incubus).
- Life Tap scales with Spirit.
- Drain Soul: a kill always gives a shard; the chance from damage alone was cut "significantly" on Nov 3.
- Firestone/Spellstone are weapon imbues that stack with oils; Spellstone (36/48/60) adds +1/2/2% spell haste and up to +14/17/21 Shadow damage; its damage is Shadow only since Nov 3. Firestone (28) adds Fire damage and crit. Lasts until you are logged out 15 minutes. Fan site (WowCalc, WoW Forever DB, Wowhead)
- Wands ignore spell damage and need you to stand still 0.5 s.
- Talents from 10; milestone talents at 11, 16, 21, 31 points. Dual spec at 40: 50g once at the class trainer, then swaps are free out of combat. Talent resets cost 1g, then 5g. Players + fan sites
- New spells are not added to your bars automatically; drag them from the spellbook after training. Fan site
- Wrack (31-point talent): coefficient doubled Nov 3; Soul Siphon stopped boosting it Nov 6. Leveling builds skip it (see The Grimoire).
Duo pull, step by step
- Lock A sends the Voidwalker in; let it hit first (Torment for threat).
- Both: Bane of Agony, Corruption. Immolate last (its hit draws threat).
- Second mob: Lock B Fears it (20 yd range; never near other packs) or Lock B's pet takes it.
- Wand or Shadow Bolt until dead; skip DoTs when a few wand shots finish it.
- Low health: Drain Life. Lowest mob: whoever is free finishes with Drain Soul for a shard.
- After the pull: Life Tap, then eat. Do not swap demons mid-fight.
Soul shards
- Finish one mob in three with Drain Soul once you need shards; a kill during the channel is guaranteed.
- Starting any other cast ends Drain Soul (Oct 1).
- Keep 2 shards each for a Voidwalker resummon and a Healthstone; from 20 keep 2 more for a summon (Wowhead tip).
- Bags: Small Soul Pouch at 20 (Sayaad quest), Box of Souls (16) at 30 (Felhunter quest from Krom Stoutarm, Ironforge), then Lock A's Tailoring Soul Pouch (24) at skill 215.
- Legacy perk Reagent Economy removes vendor reagents for class spells.
Looking after each other
- Healthstones from 10: tradeable (no bind; you can carry one each), 2-minute cooldown separate from potions. Forever's Major Healthstone heals 1,440 (Classic 1,200). Make one for your partner between pulls. Fan site (client tooltips: Codex, ForeverDB, Bind on Forever)
- Soulstone from 18: 30-minute cooldown, lasts 30 minutes, cannot be traded, so each of you makes your own and casts it on the other before an elite or a risky pull. Fan site (client tooltips: ForeverDiff, ForeverDB)
- Health Funnel from 12 keeps the Voidwalker alive.
- Ritual of Summoning from 20; meeting stones do not summon in Forever (Wowhead). It is the only way to summon, and it needs the Warlock plus two other party members at the spot, so the two of you cannot summon each other alone. Bring 1–2 shards for dungeon groups. Fan site (Wowhead, ForeverGuide, Warcraft Tavern)
- Portal of Summoning at 60 (new): 5 shards, 1-hour cooldown, and it also needs you plus two others, so it is for raid groups, not the duo. Fan site (three client-data sites)
- Curses: one of you holds Curse of the Elements; the other uses Weakness or Recklessness (rank 1 Recklessness brings back a feared runner).
- Pets until Nov 10: drain-tank from 30 and pull two mobs at a time, not three or four. Fan site
Gear stats while leveling
Three gear planners now publish Forever Warlock weights (TopBuilds, Timesaver from Icy Veins, Hyjal) and agree on spell damage first, then Stamina and Spirit. Full plan by level: The Armory. Fan site
- Stamina: you have no healer; Life Tap spends health.
- Spell damage / Shadow damage: hits, DoTs and (through scaling) your pet. Bonus healing gives a third as much bonus damage.
- Spirit: Life Tap scales with it; Humans get +10%.
- Intellect, then crit (DoTs crit). Hit and crit are each one merged stat now; hit matters in dungeons.
- Wand: take the highest wand DPS; spell damage does not affect it.
The Grimoire
Both heroes take Affliction, 39/12/0. The order is Maxroll's leveling build (Nov 3), checked against the live client trees on Nov 6 (Timesaver). Wowhead's Affliction leveling guide, Mobalytics and Crix take the same core talents and skip Wrack. Fan site Recheck after the Nov 10 tuning, which aims to make the DoTs worth casting beside Wrack.
| Level | Talent | Why |
|---|---|---|
| 10–14 | Improved Corruption 5/5 | Instant Corruption |
| 15–18 | Suppression 4/5 | +hit, less threat (helps the pet hold) |
| 19–23 | Unholy Power 5/5 (Demonology) | Stronger pet melee |
| 24–25 | Demonic Energies 2/2 | Demonology tier for the next row |
| 26–27 | Improved Life Tap 2/2 | More mana per tap |
| 28–30 | Improved Drains 3/3 | Drain Life/Soul stronger |
| 31–33 | Fel Concentration 3/3 | Drains resist pushback |
| 34–36 | Pandemic 3/3 | Bigger DoT crits |
| 37–39 | Soul Siphon 3/3 | Drains stronger per Affliction effect |
| 40 | Siphon Life | Second drain on a timer |
| 41–45 | Malevolence 5/5 | +Shadow crit |
| 46–47 | Improved Bane of Agony 2/2 | Stronger Bane |
| 48–49 | Nightfall 2/2 | Instant Shadow Bolt procs |
| 50 | Suppression 5/5 | Finish it |
| 51–53 | Fel Vitality 3/3 | Pet Stamina/Intellect |
| 54–58 | Shadow Mastery 5/5 | +Shadow damage |
| 59–60 | Master Summoner 2/2 | Faster, cheaper demons |
Points per level
One point per level from 10, so 51 points at 60; the 31-point row opens at 40. Maxroll, Wowhead and the Timesaver calculator all build on it. Fan site The Legacy perk Talented starts points at level 5. Official
Second opinion: Warcraft Tavern
(Older, Nov 4.) Warcraft Tavern's Affliction build (40/7/4) agrees on Improved Corruption first, then goes Suppression 5/5, Unholy Power 5/5 and Demonic Energies 2/2 (20–26), Improved Drains and Amplify Curse (27–30), Improved Bane of Agony, Improved Life Tap, Pandemic and Soul Siphon (31–40), then Malevolence, Shadow Mastery, Siphon Life, Fel Concentration, Nightfall and Improved Shadow Bolt. Kalamazi's verdict: any sensible build works; Improved Corruption first matters most. Fan site Grim Reach replaced Malediction on Oct 15.
Option for Lock A: Demonology pet tank
Blizzard's Demonology talents include Demonic Brand (Voidwalker's branded attacks are high threat), Fel Vitality, Demonic Aegis and Demonic Knowledge. ConquestCapped calls Demonology the safer leveling spec: Demonic Brand at 26 makes the Voidwalker hold threat, Soul Link at 30. No site has a tested duo order. Consider it at dual spec (40), or sooner if the Voidwalker keeps dying before Nov 10. WoW Forever DB rates Affliction + Affliction the best pairing and Affliction + Demonology "sturdier but slower." Unverified
Why skip Wrack?
Blizzard's own Nov 10 note says the DoTs should be "always worthwhile" with Wrack, which admits that right now Wrack crowds them out. The leveling guides take Siphon Life and the DoT talents instead. If Nov 10 changes this, the order above may change at 40. Fan site
Dungeon tactics for two Warlocks
Duo OK · Need pug · Fear and Banish
Full write-up: Research page. Open questions board: Research page.
Every pull
- Pepper's Voidwalker in first (Torment); pets Defensive/Passive — Aggressive walks into the next pack.
- Both Corruption → Bane on long fights → Immolate last. Pull two until the Nov 10 pet fix.
- Fear the spare mob only with clear space; never Shadow Bolt a feared target. Banish (28) demons and elementals and leave them alone.
- One Curse of the Elements, one Weakness/Recklessness; Soulstone each other; Healthstones trade.
- Ritual needs the Warlock + two others — the duo alone cannot summon each other.
Duo vs pug
- Duo OK: Hall of Thanes 15+, Deadmines 17+, Stockade, SM GY/Lib 32+.
- Duo hard: Excavation Site, Dalaran full clear, Drowned City, BFD, SFK, Gnomeregan, RFK.
- Need pug (tank+healer): Krol'dok 42+, Alcaz, Blackmaw, Shaper's Terrace, RFD/ZF/Mara, Strat/Scholo/LBRS.
- Lock+Lock rates C for dungeons (DuoForever) — list
LF3M … 2 Affliction Locks, have ritual, need tank + healer.
Forever dungeon picks
| Dungeon | Levels | Duo? | Warlock drops to roll |
|---|---|---|---|
| Hall of Thanes | 13–18 | Duo OK | Aetherwisp Bracers, Robes of the Disgraced Thane, Golemheart Stave |
| Excavation Site | 24–29 | Duo OK / hard | Raptor's Gaze, Glinteye Slippers, Daewyn's Girdle |
| City of Dalaran | 28–33 | Duo hard / pug | Ephemeral Grips, Violet Sorcerer's Robes, Wand of Mana Concentration |
| Drowned City | 35–40 | Duo hard / pug | Robe of the Drowned, Briny Sash, Bloodspine Staff (+46 spell) |
| Krol'dok Stronghold | 40–45 | Need pug 42+ | Shadowlight Athame (+52 spell, Zarmok); Torn Cultist Cloak quest; Stick No Rock |
| Alcaz / Blackmaw / Shaper's | 48–60 | Need pug | Alcaz: no Lock blues. Blackmaw: no cloth yet. Shaper's: loot table empty (Nanaya quest items only) |
Krol'dok tips: wait for patrols; kill peons before they yell; ogre cleaves hit a full circle; bridge = middle path; Nar'gurk mind-controls — fight near cover; Mugg adds apply healing reduction — kill adds first. First-clear reports
Still blank (do not invent farms)
- Shaper's Terrace boss loot — empty in ForeverDB / wowtbc / Ladderly.
- Luxurious Smoking Jacket (req 54, +17 spell) — stats known, source unknown.
- Artisan crate Favor — Expert is 15/30; Artisan still unknown.
- Expert Campfire blueprint — buy on AH; Journeyman is Lord Serpentis (WC).
The Armory


Two cloth Warlocks want the same loot, so the split is decided here, not at the roll. The picks below are items at least two client-data gear planners agree on (Timesaver, GearInsight, Hyjal, TopBuilds, WarcraftMaps). Bind types are from two client-data item wikis. Fan site
Gear by level (Alliance)
| Levels | Dungeons and quests | Lock A crafts | Weapon · wand |
|---|---|---|---|
| 10–20 | Hall of Thanes (under Ironforge): Robes of the Disgraced Thane, Aetherwisp Bracers, Ephemeral Choker; quests give the Dwarven Tome and Deepblaze. Deadmines: Lavishly Jeweled Ring. Quests: Apprentice Wizard's Gown (Hogger), Minor Channeling Ring (Chok'sul, Loch Modan). Wailing Caverns if a group forms: Serpent Gloves. | Lesser and Greater Magic Wand, two of each (bind on equip). Shadow Boots, Gloves, Sash (Tailoring 60–85). | Apprentice's Spellstaff → Fang of Magmatus (+18) → Emberstone Staff (+24, Deadmines). Wand: Deepblaze → Cookie's Stirring Rod. |
| 20–30 | BFD: Gaze Dreamer Pants, Ghamoo-ra's Bind, quest wand Gravestone Scepter. SFK: Belt of Arugal, Feline Mantle. Stockade: Dark Horde Band. RFK: Death Speaker Mantle, Thornweaver Drape. Excavation Site: Glinteye Slippers, Raptor's Gaze, Ring of Power Regulation. Dalaran: Ephemeral Grips, Violet Sorcerer's Robes. Gnomeregan: Spidertank Oilrag. Quest: Dread Mage Hat (Stormwind). | Shadow Circlet, Shadow Gown (+13 Shadow), Shadow Leggings (100–125). | Staff of Soran'ruk (class quest) → Rod of the Sleepwalker (BFD) → Swinetusk Shank (+40, RFK). Wand: Gravestone Scepter → Wand of Mana Concentration (31 DPS, Dalaran). |
| 30–40 | SM Graveyard: Blighted Leggings (+19 Shadow), Bloodmage Mantle, Scorn's Icy Choker. SM Library: Orb of the Forgotten Seer. Drowned City: Robe of the Drowned, Briny Sash. | Earthen Silk Slippers (145), Stormcloth Vest (190). | Hypnotic Blade (Arcanist Doan) or Bloodspine Staff (+46, Drowned City). Wand: Necrotic Wand (SM). |
| 40–50 | Little new: the planners keep SM, Dalaran and Gnomeregan pieces. Krol'dok quest: Torn Cultist Cloak. Razorfen Downs, Maraudon and Zul'Farrak picks are single-source. Unverified | Tailoring bracket: Netherflame Shoulders (195), Nethergeld Cuffs (205), Black or Gilded Waistcord (215). | Keep the Hypnotic Blade. Wand: Lesser Eternal Wand (Enchanting 245). |
| 50–60 | Stratholme / Scholomance: Dreadmist Sandals, Leggings, Mantle, Mask; Chains of the Lich. | Felcloth Pants (230), Robe of Winter Night (245, +40 Shadow), Felcloth Hood: bind on equip, so make two. Black Sandals (235): bind on pickup. | Spellstone rank 2 at 48. Wand: Greater Eternal Wand (Enchanting 275, bind on equip). |
| 60 pre-raid | Lock B: Dreadmist Mask, Mantle and Sandals; Magister's Robes (UBRS) and Leggings (Rivendare). | Lock A: Robe of the Void and Black Sandals (bind on pickup); Felcloth Hood, Shoulders, Gloves, Pants and Belt of the Archmage for both. | Sageblade (Blacksmithing: buy one each). Greater Eternal Wand each. |
Stat order (decided)
- Spell damage. Shadow damage counts the same for Affliction. Healing-only gear is worth nothing; Fire, Frost and Arcane damage too.
- Stamina: no healer, and Life Tap spends health.
- Spirit: Life Tap scales with it in Forever; Humans get +10%.
- Intellect.
- Wands: DPS only (spell damage doesn't touch them).
At 60: spell power, then hit up to the cap, then crit and haste. Spell hit cap: 17% against raid bosses (level 63), only 4% against your own level. Suppression 5/5 gives 5%, so you need 12% from gear and buffs; past that, hit is worth nothing. Forever drops Classic's "1% always misses" floor, which is why it is 17%, not 16%. Blizzard hasn't published the table. Fan site (Wowhead Forever stat guide, Method, SixtySim)
Who gets what: the rules
- Slot rule: Lock A's bind-on-pickup Shadow set fills head, chest, waist, hands, legs and feet from about 15 to 30, so cloth drops in those slots go to Lock B.
- Other slots (weapon, off-hand, neck, rings, trinkets, back, shoulders, wrists): the bigger upgrade wins. If it's close, alternate: Lock B takes the first contested drop each run, Lock A the next; the turn carries over.
- Wands: Lock A makes two of each, so wand drops go to whoever is behind.
- Crafted bind-on-equip gear: Lock A makes hers first, then Lock B's. Lock B pays for the materials.
- Leftovers: Lock B mails spare bind-on-equip greens to Lock A, who disenchants. Bind-on-pickup junk gets vendored.
- In groups with strangers, agree loot rules first: until the Nov 10 fix, Enhancement Shamans also want caster gear. Official
Materials split
- All cloth goes to Lock A. You both level First Aid on potions first, so you don't need cloth for bandages.
- Peacebloom, Briarthorn, Bruiseweed: half each, for your own First Aid potions.
- Silverleaf, Earthroot, Mageroyal, Light and Medium Leather: fill Waylaid Crates and mail them to Lock A. Crates aren't bound and Favor is per character, so Lock A turns them in for her patterns.
- Rugged Leather goes to Lock A (4 per Runecloth Gloves). Pristine Leather: Lock A keeps 4 for Black Sandals; sell the rest.
- Frilled Lichen, Rosecap, Stranglevine: sell on the AH (dye-makers pay).
- Lock B's gold pays for both characters' training first, then Lock A's dyes, Shadowgems, rods and Elixirs of Wisdom, then Lock B's AH upgrades.
Who makes which consumables
- Healthstone: each of you makes one for yourself and one for the other (tradeable, one each).
- Soulstone: each casts one on the other (can't be traded).
- Healing Potions: both, through First Aid, from Lock B's herbs.
- Mana and Wizard Oils: Lock A makes them for both (Minor Mana Oil 151, Lesser Wizard Oil 201, Wizard Oil 275); they stack with Spellstone.
- Bags and Soul Pouch: Lock A, for both. Unverified (Soul Pouch binding, one wiki)
- Elixirs: buy them with Lock B's gold; neither of you has Alchemy.
Bind on pickup: Lock A only
- Shadow set, Black Sandals (needs 4 Pristine Leather, 14 Black Pearl and a Spinning Wheel), Robe of the Void (40 Felcloth, 20 Demonic Rune and a Loom), Orb of Souls.
- Correction: the Orb of Souls binds on pickup and gives only +4 spell damage, so don't make one for Lock B. Raptor's Gaze (+8) and Orb of the Forgotten Seer are better.
- Skip Ruins of Lordaeron: it's in Horde land above Undercity, and the gear planners count it as Horde-only.
The Ledger
The order of battle, level by level. Spell ranks are from the Forever client data (wow-forever.gg spellbook); quests from Wowhead, Icy Veins and ConquestCapped. Read your trainer window if a line differs.
The Level Ledger
| Lvl | Train | Demon / quest | Milestone |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Demon Skin, Immolate, Shadow Bolt | Summon Imp (The Stolen Tome) | Group in Northshire; /chatlog |
| 4 | Corruption, Curse of Weakness | — | First trainer visit |
| 6 | Life Tap, Shadow Bolt r2 | — | Goldshire; professions |
| 8 | Bane of Agony, Fear | — | Full DoT opener |
| 10 | Drain Soul, Create Healthstone, Demon Skin r2, Immolate r2 | Voidwalker (Gakin, Stormwind) | First talent point; start shards |
| 12 | Health Funnel, Shadow Bolt r3, Curse of Weakness r2 | — | Westfall |
| 14 | Drain Life, Corruption r2, Curse of Recklessness | — | Instant Corruption (talent) |
| 16 | Life Tap r2, Unending Breath | — | — |
| 18 | Create Soulstone, Searing Pain, Bane of Agony r2 | — | Soulstone each other |
| 20 | Curse of the Elements, Demon Armor, Ritual of Summoning, Rain of Fire, Shadow Bolt r4 | Succubus or Incubus; Small Soul Pouch | Unholy Power |
| 22 | Eye of Kilrogg, Healthstone r2, Drain Life r2 | — | — |
| 24 | Drain Mana, Corruption r3, Drain Soul r2, Sense Demons | — | — |
| 26 | Curse of Tongues, Life Tap r3, Searing Pain r2 | — | — |
| 28 | Banish, Create Firestone, Bane of Agony r3 | — | — |
| 30 | Hellfire, Subjugate Demon, Demon Armor r2, Soulstone r2 | Felhunter; Box of Souls | Beta level cap; beyond is untested |
| 36 | Create Spellstone, Shadow Bolt r6, Life Tap r4 | — | — |
| 40 | Howl of Terror, Curse of the Elements r3, Immolate r5 | Felsteed: free class quest, Strahad Farsan, Ratchet; no riding fee | Siphon Life (talent); dual spec |
| 42 | Death Coil | — | — |
| 48 | Soul Fire | — | — |
| 50 | Inferno (quest, Felwood) | Inferno chain (50–55): Niby the Almighty, Felwood (41.6, 45.1); kill elite Kroshius together | — |
| 60 | Bane of Doom, Ritual of Doom, Portal of Summoning | Dreadsteed: 12 quests from Mor'zul Bloodbringer, Burning Steppes (12.7, 31.6); 150g Stardust; ritual in Dire Maul West with a group | Raids open Dec 9 |
The Coin Ledger
| Entry | Flow | Note |
|---|---|---|
| Starting gear and food | In | Sell what you do not need on day one |
| Gray items | In | Vendor every town visit (Olympus ask) |
| Lock B raw herbs, leather, hides | In | Sell on the AH in small stacks; launch-week buyers are leveling |
| Spell ranks every even level | Out | Costs not published for Forever; buy every rank Check at trainer |
| Profession training | Out | Apprentice, then Journeyman Check at trainer |
| Olympus tithe | Out | 1g per week per verified member; first 14 days exempt |
| Wand | Out | Lock A crafts Lesser and Greater Magic Wand; otherwise buy cheap |
| Bags | Out | Lock A crafts Linen and Woolen bags for both |
| Riding at 40 | Out | Felsteed is free from a short Warlock quest at 40 and needs no riding skill: no 100g fee for either Lock. Budget about 400g each at 60 for the Dreadsteed chain (150g Stardust, 250g reagents unless you share). Fan site |
| Waylaid Crates | In (Favor) | Fill with spare crafts and gathered goods; turn in at Three Corners, Redridge, for Merchant's Favor recipes |
| AH deposit | Out | Minimum 1 silver per listing; post in sensible stacks Fan site |
| Quests at 60 | — | No gold for unused XP at 60, so save early coin Unverified |
| Spare coin | Hold | Save copper and silver; trade only to the collector officers name in official channels |
Trades


One gatherer funds one crafter. Both take First Aid: there is no healer.
Lock A: Tailoring + Enchanting
- "Almost all of the Best in Slot for Warlocks right now come from Tailoring" (published verdict quoted by Null Ossuary, Nov 3).
- Cloth drops from humanoids; no gathering needed.
- Enchanting makes Lesser/Greater Magic Wand and disenchants greens neither of you uses. Enchanting wands now vendor for only a few copper or silver (beta), so use or disenchant them.
- Crafted bags at every tier. A Felblood Soul Bag (30 slots) at skill 300 is listed in client data. Unverified
- Mooncloth and Classic specializations have no Forever source yet. Unverified
- Trainers: Eldrin (Eastvale, Elwynn) or Lawrence Schneider (Stormwind) to 75; Sellandus (Stormwind; skill 50, level 10) to 150; Georgio Bolero (Stormwind; skill 125, level 20) to 225; Timothy Worthington, Theramore (skill 200, level 35). Fan site
- Route to 240: Linen bolts, Linen Belt (30), Woolen bolts (55), Woolen Cape (80), Silk bolts (100), Gloves of Meditation (120; needs Elixir of Wisdom), Mageweave bolts (140), Crimson Silk Vest and Pantaloons (150–190), Black Mageweave Shoulders (190), Mageweave Bag (215), Runecloth Belt (225). Fan site
- Route 210–300 (decided Nov 9): Forever recipes go grey 20–45 points early, so: Runecloth Belt to ~243, Runecloth Gloves (pattern from Qia, Everlook; Lock B's Rugged Leather) to ~265, then Runecloth Cuffs to ~293: a vendor pattern from Pexmit, Mount Hyjal (59.2, 45.5), skill 250, no reputation; 5 Runecloth bolts + 1 Ironweb Spider Silk each. The cuffs bind on equip (+11 spell, +10 Int, level 52), so the spares suit both of you. Hyjal is a level-60 zone: Lock A makes one trip for the pattern. Last points: Mooncloth Shoulders, then Argent Shoulders. The Runecloth Headband and Shoulders patterns are rare world drops (level 54–62 mobs, Kazzak, chests); price trackers saw one on one EU auction house and none in the Americas, so they are out of the plan. Buy one only if it shows up cheap. Save Runecloth from your late 40s. Fan site (ForeverDB, WoW Forever Info, WoW Forever BE, Forever Mastery, Bind on Forever, Warcraft Forever Wiki)
- Make these for yourselves: Felcloth Pants (230), Black Sandals (235, Favor), Robe of Winter Night (245), Felcloth Gloves (280), Robe of the Void and Belt of the Archmage (295); Soul Pouch (215) for both. Fan site
- Lock A's Soul Pouch (24-slot soul bag) at 215 from a vendor pattern (Vizzklick, Tanaris, or a Riverglades vendor). It binds on equip (four client-data sites and Wowhead agree), so Lock A makes one for each of you. Faction Banner at 20.
- Tailoring has 471 recipes; patterns are needed past about 254, and the Runecloth Bag is now a pattern. The Artisan trainer is in Theramore (character level 35). Fan site
- The Shadow pieces (Gown, Gloves, Sash, Boots, Leggings) are Warlock leveling best-in-slot; they bind on pickup, so they are Lock A's alone (see Our Picks). Fan site
- Enchanting adds Dust to Motes, the Novice's Practice Wand, necklace enchants and Warlock off-hands (Orb of Souls, Soulstaff). Expert: Kitta Firewind (Tower of Azora). Artisan: Annora (Uldaman). Fan site
- Enchanting trainers: Betty Quin, Stormwind Mage Quarter (no trainer in Elwynn); Lucan Cordell (Stormwind; skill 50, level 10); Kitta Firewind (skill 125, level 20); Annora appears only after her area of Uldaman is cleared (skill 200, level 35), and recipes from 230 are taught nowhere else, so learn them all in one visit. Rods past copper are Blacksmith-made: buy them. Fan site
- Start: Runed Copper Rod, then Enchant Bracer – Inferior Stamina to 20 using Motes of Magic from the vendor, then Chest – Inferior Stamina with Strange Dust. Fan site
- Enchanting route (decided Nov 9): Inferior Stamina bracers 1–25 → Minor Deflect 25–40 → Chest Minor Absorption to 100 → Minor Impact, Cloak Minor Agility, Bracer Lesser Stamina to 160 → Boots Lesser Agility to 210 → Gloves Agility to 265 → Chest Superior Stamina, Wizard Oil → Cloak Superior Defense to 300. Fan site (ForeverDB, WoW-Professions)
- Enchanting money: sell dust, essences and shards; crafted wands and oils vendor for nearly nothing. Sell enchants in trade chat, and hold top weapon and chest enchants for the weeks before the Dec 9 raids. The Orb of Souls (140) binds on pickup and adds only +4 spell damage: Lock A can use it for skill points, but Lock B can't wear it (see The Armory). Fan site (WarcraftMaps, ForeverDB; bind type from two item wikis)
Lock B: Herbalism + Skinning
- Our pick for the gatherer: only Herbalism uses tracking, so Find Herbs stays on, and skinning happens on kills you make anyway. Unverified (our recommendation)
- Gathering is available in the starter zones (Wowhead, Sep 30).
- Sell raw early in launch week; keep a few herbs for First Aid potions.
- Legacy perk Bountiful Harvest adds scarce materials per rank.
- Trainers: Herbalist Pomeroy (Elwynn) and Helene Peltskinner (Goldshire); the Northshire/junior trainers (Riley Peltskinner, Nancy Songflower) stop at 75. Skinning needs 5 × the mob's level from level 20. Fan site
- Where to level: Herbs: Elwynn, then Loch Modan (70), Hillsbrad (115), Arathi/Stranglethorn (170), Tanaris (205), Hinterlands (230), Felwood (270). Skins: Loch Modan (75), Wetlands (125), Duskwood or Hillsbrad yetis (150), Feralas (225), Un'Goro (280). Both follow the Alliance road. Fan site
- Mail Lock A the herbs and leather a pattern or Waylaid Crate needs before selling the rest.
- Scarce finds: Frilled Lichen, Rosecap, Stranglevine (become dyes Tailoring needs) and Pristine Leather / Hide / Scale. Leatherworking has 271 new recipes, so leather sells. Fan site
First Aid (both)
- Bandages from the cloth you loot; Lock A takes the rest for Tailoring.
- First Aid also makes Healing Potions (Minor, Lesser, Healing) from Peacebloom, Briarthorn and Bruiseweed (Wowhead, Oct 23; ForeverSpec). Lock B supplies the herbs for both. Fast start: 81 Minor Healing Potions (Peacebloom + Mild Spices + Empty Vial) take you from 1 to 75. Fan site
- Trainers: Michelle Belle upstairs in the Goldshire inn, or Shaina Fuller (Stormwind). Artisan comes from the Triage quest, Doctor Gustaf VanHowzen, Theramore (skill 225, level 35). Fan site
- Route: Linen Bandages, then potions from about 30 to 167, then Silk Bandages (about 200 Silk), then Mageweave and Runecloth. The Expert book Under Wraps is sold by Deneb Walker in Stromgarde. Fan site
Camp buffs (1 hour, from skill 20)
- Tailoring: Spirit (feeds Life Tap).
- Enchanting: all stats and armor.
- Herbalism: Intellect.
- Skinning: 2% crit.
- First Aid: Stamina.
- Camp buffs do not stack with the matching class buff (Wowhead). All camp objects share a 1-hour cooldown.
- Tier-2 blueprints drop from dungeon bosses only (no vendor), don't bind, and need skill 140 to learn. Ours: Spinning Wheel (Tailoring; Unstable Sentinel, City of Dalaran, about 10%), Arcane Salvager (Enchanting; Shade of the Archmage, Dalaran, about 7%; building it needs a Runed Truesilver Rod, Enchanting 200), Greenhouse (Herbalism; Shadetooth, Excavation Site, about 8%), Field Guide (Skinning; Lady Anacondra, Wailing Caverns, under 1%, so buy it on the AH). Trapper's Workbench (Skinning 300): Houndmaster Loksey, Scarlet Monastery, under 0.1%. Expert Campfire: no known source. Fan site (Wowhead Forever drop data via MMONerds and WowCamp)
Merchant's Favor
- Fill Waylaid Crates (they drop from mobs and chests and are not bound, so the AH sells them) with one listed material, and turn them in to Marcy Baker, Azeroth Commerce Authority, Three Corners, Redridge (9.6, 71.0). No mailbox there. The Tailoring Favor patterns are sold by Mivin Shadowweave in the same camp.
- Your first crate gives a Shipping Label quest worth 50 Favor. Crates pay 5/10/15 Favor for raw goods and 10/20/30 for crafted goods (Apprentice/Journeyman/Expert; Expert confirmed by three guides Nov 9). Artisan values aren't published anywhere yet. Legacy Performance Bonus can double it. Fan site
- Lock B's raw goods fill crates directly: Apprentice Herbs = 20 Peacebloom or 20 Silverleaf or 10 Earthroot/Mageroyal/Briarthorn; Apprentice Textiles = 40 Linen or 20 Light Leather. Lock A's Strange Dust fills Curiosities crates. Favor is per character (not shared with alts), so Lock B mails crates to Lock A, who turns them in for the Tailoring patterns. Fan site
- Favor buys recipes: 67 for Tailoring (from skill 60), 39 for Enchanting (from 130).
- Legacy points come from crafting skill 150, 225 and 300 (Lock A only; gathering and First Aid give none).
Fan site (Oracle News Network; TheWoWDB; Method; Forever Mastery; WowCamp)
Olympus
Asmongold's Alliance guild network. Raids open Dec 9.
Confirmed Official
- Fernmelder, @everyone, Nov 4 8:59 AM: Americas, Normal (PvE), Alliance.
- The guild wants Humans. Two Human Warlocks fit.
- Fernmelder, #announcements, Nov 4 4:58 PM CT: log on Alliance PvE as a Human and start farming to join Olympus.
- Knight rank or higher as of midnight Nov 4: direct invite plus the in-game Veteran rank.
- Tithe: 1g per week per verified member; the first 14 days are exempt.
- Not posted yet: charter requirements, meeting spot, official coin collector. Officers will post them.
- No Warlock or Soul Shard requirements and no raid leaders have been announced.
Launch-day asks
- Do the starter quests.
- Loot as you go.
- Vendor grays.
- Save copper and silver.
- Trade spare coin only to the designated collector officers will name in official channels.
- Ignore any whisper asking for coin.
- Send no gold until staff give written instructions (Stockades server).
Verification, once per hero
- Asmongold Discord: discord.gg/asmongold.
- #olympus-verify: press "Get my code".
- In game, whisper only the code to the officer the instructions name.
- Wait for the invite; "My status" shows progress. Ignore "Olympus" invites you did not ask for.
- #olympus-notices and #olympus-info may stay hidden until you are verified.
Making a good impression
- Be ready: add-ons installed, keybinds set, both on the right ruleset.
- Be friendly and brief in guild chat.
- Follow the rules above; read pins before asking.
Guild Relations
Know the staff by name. In-game names are not known yet; these are Discord names.
Fernmelder (acting lead) · freejam / Nikola · Kryptiiq · Nomad · Max · jeebu · Rayquaza1090 / Athanasius · Char Cole · Dakooria
Every session: /chatlog
Type /chatlog after you log in. Visible chat, guild chat included, goes to _forever_\Logs\WoWChatLog.txt. Elephant keeps a second copy.
Name highlights
When you learn a staff member's character name (roster or /who), add it as a highlight in your chat settings.
Discord notifications
Once verified, set #olympus-notices and #olympus-info to notify on all messages. Read only.
Tools of the Trade
Add-ons live in _forever_\Interface\AddOns. Forever uses the modern UI (interface 16001), so Classic Era add-ons do not load. WeakAuras has no Forever build; the built-in damage meter and Cooldown Manager cover much of it. Installed and checked on the duo PC Nov 9.
| Add-on | Job | Version |
|---|---|---|
| Questie | Quest givers and objectives on the map; Guidelime reads it | 12.6.4 (+QuestieDB 1.0.12) |
| Guidelime + TUGs Forever | Step-by-step route for both heroes | 6.015 / 1.26 |
| TomTom | Waypoint arrow for /way coordinates in this guide and Guidelime | 4.4.1 |
| Leatrix Plus | Auto-sell grays, auto-repair, faster loot, flight times | 1.60.29-forever |
| GatherMate2 | Remembers every herb node Lock B finds (Forever early-game nodes added Nov 6) | 1.52.5 |
| Auctionator | Fast posting and price history for Lock B's herbs and leather (343 fixes the RP-PvP market split) | 343 |
| ThreatClassic2 | Shows whether the Voidwalker still holds aggro over the two of you | 2.77-forever |
| DoesItDie | Built for Forever Warlocks: a skull appears when your DoTs will finish the mob, so you stop casting and move on (Icy Veins pick) | 0.9.3-forever |
| Olympus | The guild's own add-on from the author's GitHub/CurseForge | 1.5.4 |
| Altoholic + DataStore, Baganator + Syndicator, OpenMap | Feed the duo dashboard; shared bags; map | as installed |
Full reasons, and what we left out, are in Our Picks.
Guild law on add-ons
- For verification, use only the guild's reviewed Olympus add-on.
- Install nothing from unknown sources.
Graphics driver
A moderator mentioned an NVIDIA driver update with Forever art. Updating the RTX 3070 driver before launch is reasonable; the driver's Forever support is not confirmed. Unverified
Words of Warning
Wrong ruleset splits the duo
Different rulesets cannot group, guild or trade.
Do: Both on Americas, Normal (PvE), Alliance.
Coin scams
Whispers asking for coin.
Do: Ignore. Coin goes only to the collector officers name in official channels.
Login queue
Name-reservation night had queues and loops.
Do: Wait at the login screen; check realm status instead of refreshing.
Fear pulls
A fleeing mob pulls its friends; Fear range is 20 yd.
Do: No Fear in caves or camps; Voidwalker holds instead.
Demon swap stun
Summoning stuns your current pet.
Do: Pick the demon before the pull.
Shard starvation
Damage-only shard chance cut Nov 3.
Do: Finish mobs with Drain Soul.
Layer splits
Groups get a refresh prompt.
Do: Group before you travel; accept out of combat.
Hands on keys
Automation risks the account.
Do: Play both heroes by hand.
Level gap kills XP
No kill XP if a party member is far higher level.
Do: Keep both heroes within 4 levels.
Unverified claims in this manual
- Whether the talent order changes after the Nov 10 tuning (no notes as of Nov 9, 1:14 PM CT)
- Fear range 20 yd (Warcraft Tavern, Wowhead, WoW Forever DB; not stated by Blizzard)
- Blizzard's exact "vastly higher level" number (we use the grey-mob rule)
- Shaper's Terrace loot (not recorded yet)
- Artisan crate Favor payouts (no source has them)
- Expert Campfire blueprint drop source (none known; it doesn't bind and sells on the AH, about 25g on Nov 8)
- Felblood Soul Bag, 30 slots, Tailoring 300 (client data)
- Mooncloth and Classic profession specializations
- Herbalism + Skinning as the gatherer pair (our recommendation)
- Demonology pet-tank variant (no tested order)
- Spell and training costs (not published)
- NVIDIA driver with Forever art (mentioned by a mod)
Settled Nov 9: Felsteed needs no riding fee; Healthstones trade; Soulstone 30-min cooldown; Merchant's Favor is per character; Shadow patterns cost 30 Favor; Legacy has 65 challenges. Settled in run 7: 17% spell hit cap (12% from gear); dual spec 50g; Soul Pouch binds on equip; Expert crates 15/30 Favor; level-60 quests pay no XP gold; blueprint sources; 40–50 dungeon picks; Runecloth Cuffs replaces the world-drop patterns.
The Chroniclers
- Wowhead — Rogue and Warlock Class Deep Dive (Blizzard) Oct 2026
- WoW Forever DB — Warlock changes and open questions Checked Nov 3, 2026
- Wowhead — Level 20 Destruction Warlock (class quests, camp buffs, tips) Updated Sep 30, 2026
- wowforeverbuilds — Affliction leveling 1–60 Updated Nov 4, 2026
- Everything WoW — Forever Warlock guide Updated Nov 3, 2026
- wow-forever.gg — Warlock spellbook by level Read Nov 4, 2026
- Icy Veins — Forever Warlock class quests Read Nov 4, 2026
- ConquestCapped — Forever Warlock quests Read Nov 4, 2026
- Questing.wiki — Summon Felsteed series Checked Oct 1, 2026
- ForeverWisp — Human leveling 1–20 Updated Oct 12, 2026
- Null Ossuary — Tailoring in Forever Updated Nov 3, 2026
- Blizzard forums — Latest warlock changes (Drain Soul shard reports) Nov 2026
- Asmongold Discord, read only — Fernmelder @everyone (Nov 4 8:59 AM), Olympus posts via Olympus Relations Nov 4, 2026
- Added Nov 9 (read Nov 9, 2026)
- Blizzard — WoW Forever now live Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard — Choose your ruleset Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard — The new dungeons Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard — Raid overview (Dec 9) Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard — Hotfixes Nov 5–6 Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard forums — Known issues (Nov 5) Nov 9, 2026
- GameSpot — Launch damage boost and Warlock pet changes Nov 9, 2026
- ClassicWoWForever — Launch-week hotfixes and Nov 10 plan Nov 9, 2026
- MyWarlock — Warlock patch log Nov 9, 2026
- Warcraft Tavern — Warlock leveling Nov 9, 2026
- ConquestCapped — Warlock leveling Nov 9, 2026
- WoWForeverInfo — Alliance leveling route Nov 9, 2026
- Wowhead — Camping overview Nov 9, 2026
- Oracle News Network — Merchant's Favor Nov 9, 2026
- ForeverSpec — First Aid 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- ForeverSpec — Tailoring 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- ForeverSpec — Enchanting 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- WarcraftMaps — Scarce materials Nov 9, 2026
- OutputLag — Dungeon kill XP +50% (Nov 8) Nov 9, 2026
- TimeSaver — Week-one AH prices Nov 9, 2026
- EndgameTools — Forever add-ons Nov 9, 2026
- Kalamazi — Forever Warlock leveling guides reviewed (video) Nov 9, 2026
- Added Nov 9, afternoon (read Nov 9, 2026)
- Blizzard forums — Class Tuning Incoming, Nov 10 (Kaivax, Nov 6) Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard forums — Nov 2 Warlock notes, quoted in full Nov 9, 2026
- ForeverDB — Blizzard Oct 8 notes (party XP, pets) Nov 9, 2026
- Wowhead — Affliction leveling guide Nov 9, 2026
- Wowhead — Demonology leveling guide Nov 9, 2026
- Timesaver — Maxroll Affliction 39/12/0 order Nov 9, 2026
- Mobalytics — Warlock leveling Nov 9, 2026
- WowCalc — Create Spellstone ranks Nov 9, 2026
- WoW Forever DB — Warlock overview Nov 9, 2026
- WoW Forever DB — Duo leveling tier list Nov 9, 2026
- DuoForever — Double Warlock Nov 9, 2026
- Forever Outpost — Hotfix list Nov 9, 2026
- ForeverGuide — Summon needs two helpers Nov 9, 2026
- Warcraft Tavern — No summoning stones Nov 9, 2026
- Wowhead — Tailoring overview Nov 9, 2026
- WoW-Professions — Tailoring 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- WoW-Professions — Enchanting 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- WoW-Professions — First Aid 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- WoW-Professions — Herbalism 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- WoW-Professions — Skinning 1–300 Nov 9, 2026
- Method — Waylaid Crates and Merchant's Favor Nov 9, 2026
- Forever Mastery — Merchant's Favor payouts Nov 9, 2026
- WowCamp — Merchant's Favor Nov 9, 2026
- Crix — Affliction 1–60 (video, transcript read) Nov 9, 2026
- JCServant — Soloing after the pet nerf (video, transcript read) Nov 9, 2026
- Blizzard: Get to Know the Legacy System (65 challenges)
- ForeverChanges: Dreadsteed of Xoroth
- ForeverChanges: Kroshius' Infernal Core (Inferno)
- ForeverDiff: Major Soulstone
- WoW Forever Codex: Major Healthstone
- ForeverDB: Tailoring 1-300
- WoW Forever Info: Tailoring 1-300
- ForeverDB: Enchanting 1-300
- Forever Guides: Merchant's Favor
- Timesaver: Excavation Site loot
- wowforever.be: Ruins of Lordaeron quests
- Timesaver: Affliction leveling gear 1-60 and pre-raid
- GearInsight: Warlock gear upgrades by level
- Hyjal: Warlock leveling gear 1-30 (client list)
- TopBuilds: Warlock leveling gear and dungeons 1-30
- WarcraftMaps: Warlock leveling abilities and gear
- WoW Forever Wiki: item bind types (Robe of the Void, Felcloth, Black Sandals)
- Fextralife Forever Wiki: item bind types (Orb of Souls, Black Sandals)
Full library with 186 sources and verified/reported tags: Research page.